Aaron showing his youngest son what the lines on the shells they found mean.
AH! How could I have missed the fact that you posted this!
My youngest son was quite adamant on collecting “sea shells” from the creek the other day.
It turned into a science lesson. haha
Check it out! Aaron, myself, and Sheena all made it on the Danger Run Website! I even got a free t-shirt for noticing who they were :P
I understand what you’re saying and I do believe there’s a disconnect between the official standpoint of the pro-life movement and what “pro-life” means to commenters like this at an individual level. That is to say, people are bombarded by, “if you believe killing potential babies is wrong, pick this movement! And if you don’t, pick this one (you heathen)!” Simplistic viewpoints like these do come from a lack of education about specific movements, but also from anti-abortionists burying the what their movement is all about in boring rhetoric, religious texts, and pleas to the emotional side of those they want support from. The real question is, of course: At what point are the rights of an unborn fetus equal to that of a fully functioning adult? The commenter in your example falls pretty clearly in the “pro-choice” camp.
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“I don’t believe in abortion and think it’s wrong, but I know that my personal beliefs should have no bearing on others and their ability to make decisions about their own body.” I don’t see how this…
My comment was addressing the fact that you’re making assumptions about the intent of the poster (“[they] don’t want to ‘rock the boat’ or be controversial;” “[it] ‘isn’t cool’ and other people won’t want to associate with [it] for fear of being mocked”), when the commenter clearly doesn’t understand that saying something like, “I think people should be able to make their own decisions” is in direct opposition to the movement they claim support in the very same sentence. That sounds like lack of education, rather than people wishing to avoid uncomfortable situations or the “uncool” factor (although I’m sure that happens too).
The thing is, most people don’t actually rationalize these types of things.
They don’t specifically set out to avoid something because it’s “uncool” or because there’s a stigma attached to it.
It’s more of a hesitation, a discomfort in identifying with a group (in this case pro-choice) that has a stigma attached to it.
People do a lot of shit without actually knowing why they do it, I’m not saying the commenters on these news stories actually sat back and told themselves, “Being pro-choice means you’re not one of the cool kids”.
It’s more like they have a discomfort associated with pro-choicers because of their depictions from the media and the church and the negativity associated with that sigma, which is also why you see “clique-ish” behavior among high school students, everyone on some level wants to be associated with what’s “cool” or positive, and often this happens below the level of awareness and happens without rationality.
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Fun fact (that you might already know): Adventure Time takes place in post apocalyptic world were the majority of civilization was wiped out by a nuclear war a long time ago. Characters will make reference to the “mushroom wars” character limit! ARGHYeah, Hubs told me!!!
He’s been pointing out really creepy and ominous-looking background settings in episodes as we watch. Like when they went under the ocean and there was a bunch of skyscrapers and cars and stuff.
We’re only a few episodes in, but it’s definitely a very layered show. @_@
The show took on a whole new context for me after I learned that.
There’s some heavy stuff going on for what looks on the surface like a kiddie cartoon.
Yet anon gave enough of a shit to tell you.BECAUSE ANON WOULD WALK FIVE HUNDRED MILES
AND ANON WOULD WALK FIVE HUNDRED MORE
JUST TO BE THE ANON WHO TOLD ME N0 1 CURR IN IRONY GALORE
I chortled.
Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all! The reason: Canadian regulators announced last week they would reject efforts by Canada’s right-wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news.
Canada’s Radio Act requires that “a licenser may not broadcast … any false or misleading news.”
(Source: obi-wankenblowme)
This is news to me. I was not aware that this was the case, but I won’t make that mistake again.
Nonetheless, I disagree with the premise: you lead by example. I think this is quintessential tenet to not only leadership but humanism as a whole.
Good luck with your staggering lack of poise and self control. Maybe I’m wrong… maybe beating the shit out of people works. I wouldn’t know myself and I’ve never seen evidence to prove this to be a viable option.
Look, all I’m saying is that I can not say that violence is NEVER the answer.
I have been in plenty of situations when I was growing up where it was really the only way to go. It happens.
And as far as my “Staggering lack of self control” - you don’t know me, do you?
I was married to a nightmare of an abusive woman for 13 years and never once laid a hand on her in violence. EVEN WHEN SHE PUNCHED ME IN FRONT OF THE KIDS.
As a matter of fact, as an adult, I’ve punched exactly ONE person in the face, and it was my brother because he wouldn’t stop talking to our mom like she was dirt after I told him a good four times to stop.
You can knock it off with the “Staggering lack of self control” bullshit.
You don’t know me either! I’m really sorry you had to go through that. Know that I’ve definitely gotten myself in my share of precarious situations (my father is not a good person).
Look, I’m not going to continue this back-and-forth — not because I’m a bigger person — but because we’re really not adding anything meaningful to the discussion. I think when you get to “you don’t know me” it’s really a dead cause. At this point the discussion is on a trajectory to shameless name-calling.
Here’s what I was trying to say:
- The lack of privilege in it of itself does not justify violence.
- When I say violence I’m excluding self-defense; I should have clarified that early on. (Think Treyvon Martin and CeCe McDonald).
- When it’s a matter of semantics, misunderstanding, or ignorance I think violence is unjustified.
- I disagree with the premise that violence is never the answer is inherently privileged.
- Retaliation for honest mistakes (or blatant ignorance) veiled under a lack of privilege is deleterious to the cause.
Feel free to disagree with me.
The “you don’t know me” was in reply to you mentioning my “lack of self control”.
You took the conversation from me saying that you can’t say violence is NEVER the answer to basically implying that I think that it’s okay to go around punching out everyone who pisses me off. Do not deny it. You said, and this is directly copied from your post:
Good luck with your staggering lack of poise and self control. Maybe I’m wrong… maybe beating the shit out of people works.
Don’t back peddle, that was never what I was implying.
You also said:
I wouldn’t know myself and I’ve never seen evidence to prove this to be a viable option.
You can take yourself down off the cross and knock it off right now. You are trying to paint yourself like a saint and me as someone who advocates “going around beating the shit out of people”. You KNOW that’s not what I meant and it’s evident in your statements above about self defense.
And yes, nonviolence can come from a position of privilege, another tumblr user put it beautifully when they said:
What these people don’t realize you’re saying is that it isn’t just cis hetero white dudes that say “violence isn’t the answer”… just that it’s easy to say it when you’re probably not going to experience violence and if you do the police will believe you and the attacker will be prosecuted and people will feel sorry for you (even if you deserved it).
It’s not easy to say it when, for example, I know if I am raped that many people will not believe me and more people willl blame me and I will be shamed and my rapist probably won’t be prosecuted and people will feel really sorry that his life was ruined by me.
That makes me less likely to say “violence isn’t the answer” and more likely to, for example, punch a guy in the nose.
The group most often ‘avenged’ for violence committed against them is cis hetero white dudes, so it’s easy for them to say violence isn’t the answer. They’re not the ones who are afraid all the time.
Which was EXACTLY my point about it coming from a privileged position all along.
This is news to me. I was not aware that this was the case, but I won’t make that mistake again.
Nonetheless, I disagree with the premise: you lead by example. I think this is quintessential tenet to not only leadership but humanism as a whole.
Good luck with your staggering lack of poise and self control. Maybe I’m wrong… maybe beating the shit out of people works. I wouldn’t know myself and I’ve never seen evidence to prove this to be a viable option.
Look, all I’m saying is that I can not say that violence is NEVER the answer.
I have been in plenty of situations when I was growing up where it was really the only way to go. It happens.
And as far as my “Staggering lack of self control” - you don’t know me, do you?
I was married to a nightmare of an abusive woman for 13 years and never once laid a hand on her in violence. EVEN WHEN SHE PUNCHED ME IN FRONT OF THE KIDS.
As a matter of fact, as an adult, I’ve punched exactly ONE person in the face, and it was my brother because he wouldn’t stop talking to our mom like she was dirt after I told him a good four times to stop.
You can knock it off with the “Staggering lack of self control” bullshit.
loling at how the OP managed to turn “you can’t say that violence is NEVER an option” into “beating the shit out of people works”. People who get so offended at the oppressed lashing back at the oppressors are so childish it hurts. The whole post is such passive aggressive bullshit.
If being nice and reasonable worked in every situation where someone was threatening or oppressing someone else, then maybe they’d be right. But the world is full of disgusting malicious scumbags who don’t give a shit if they hurt anyone, because most of them get off on it. I’ve tried reasoning with misogynists. I’ve tried reasoning with anti-choicers. And believe you me you figure out the distinction between people who can be reasoned with and the ones who will never give a fuck about hurting you pretty damn quick. And if it had be me walking down that alley in front of those sick wannabe rapists when they cracked that “joke”? I’d like to think I’d have done the same thing.
I’m reblogging this again solely for that last comment. It needs to be on my blog.
Here’s a thought: Violence is NEVER the answer.
— Sincerely, an immigrant Colombian girl raised in a low-income family who dropped out of high school. (O y Ingles ni siquiera es mi primer lenguaje :)
Had to do the same thing. His girlfriend is downright awful though, if you ask me.
God forbid a woman have strong opinions and stand up for themselves. Yeah that makes them “awful”.
Fuck off.
This is news to me. I was not aware that this was the case, but I won’t make that mistake again.
Nonetheless, I disagree with the premise: you lead by example. I think this is quintessential tenet to not only leadership but humanism as a whole.
Good luck with your staggering lack of poise and self control. Maybe I’m wrong… maybe beating the shit out of people works. I wouldn’t know myself and I’ve never seen evidence to prove this to be a viable option.
Look, all I’m saying is that I can not say that violence is NEVER the answer.
I have been in plenty of situations when I was growing up where it was really the only way to go. It happens.
And as far as my “Staggering lack of self control” - you don’t know me, do you?
I was married to a nightmare of an abusive woman for 13 years and never once laid a hand on her in violence. EVEN WHEN SHE PUNCHED ME IN FRONT OF THE KIDS.
As a matter of fact, as an adult, I’ve punched exactly ONE person in the face, and it was my brother because he wouldn’t stop talking to our mom like she was dirt after I told him a good four times to stop.
You can knock it off with the “Staggering lack of self control” bullshit.
Here’s a thought: Violence is NEVER the answer.
— Sincerely, an immigrant Colombian girl raised in a low-income family who dropped out of high school. (O y Ingles ni siquiera es mi primer lenguaje :)
Thanks for the heads up.
God forbid someone hears someone else joking that they are going to rape someone so they punch them in the face.
THE IDEA THAT VIOLENCE ISN’T THE ANSWER IS TIED UP IN IDEAS OF WHO CAN USE VIOLENCE. Do you know how many times I’ve heard old white dudes in my life say “If Trayvon had just walked away, he would be alive.” Because Trayvon wasn’t allowed to be violent, even though he was the one being followed and he is the one who is dead. A trans* woman of color who fought back against her assaulter is in jail because she reacted violently against people who wanted to kill her.
The idea that non-violence is always right, that responding through violence is always wrong, is really frustratingly tied up in some ways of thinking that discount the need to fight for your safety and your survival.
As thisgingersnapsback pointed out, that man was making a joke about raping an actual person across the street. This is not just about theoretical violence and pacifism, this is about bodies and safety and the reality that some people occupy spaces where the threat of misogynist, racist, homophobic violence hangs over them. And we’re supposed to sit back and judge and say “violence is never ok?”
I’m calling bullshit.
Thank you!!!
Here’s a thought: Violence is NEVER the answer.
— Sincerely, an immigrant Colombian girl raised in a low-income family who dropped out of high school. (O y Ingles ni siquiera es mi primer lenguaje :)
Thanks for the heads up.
God forbid someone hears someone else joking that they are going to rape someone so they punch them in the face.
Or she could have told him not to joke about it because it’s offensive and not funny. I don’t see why violence in this case was necessary. Violence doesn’t ever really solve anything, that’s why it’s not an “answer.” It’s still ok in cases of self defense or defending someone else when violence is being used against that person.
I’m not unfollowing because I’m up for debate on this, and because I read the post and from what I could understand (it was a little hard to follow) it seems like you only approve of violence as a last resort as well. Correct me if I’m wrong of course
Yes, violence is a last resort, or an extreme measure, but I can not say it is NEVER the answer.
as far as the woman that punched that guy in the face, here is what happened:
I was walking home to my apartment. Bars had already closed, so the city was fairly quiet. Two guys were walking behind me, both looking to be a bit older than myself. I was only a few steps ahead of them when I heard them making calls to the girl across the street who was obviously intoxicated. She quickened her pace and didn’t respond. One of the guys was obviously put off on this and said, “Fucking cunt, I’d take her into the back alley and show her what I’m made of. She won’t even see it coming”, and then proceeded to laugh.
And then I turned around and punched him in the face.
I really don’t think those guys were in the mood to hear, “That joke isn’t funny.”
Here’s a thought: Violence is NEVER the answer.
— Sincerely, an immigrant Colombian girl raised in a low-income family who dropped out of high school. (O y Ingles ni siquiera es mi primer lenguaje :)
Thanks for the heads up.
God forbid someone hears someone else joking that they are going to rape someone so they punch them in the face.
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